Kubuntu should it change name ?


first of all you need to understand that english is NOT my first language so it should be clear  that this post it’s not a bitching-post , it is just some of my considerations after 4\5 years of kubuntu  support \ use  and please try ot answer to this poll 

i have read Riddel’s post  and there are some points here i would treat

 

 

why kubuntu is not successuful ?

someone could say wtf this is not true, i can   point you to  distrowatch for example or let me say that   a lots of times you can read on  irc #kde channel that to get a proper kde-expericence, you should NOT install kubuntu .  you can read this a lots of times .

What  i think about the sentence “kubuntu sucks” is that it’s partly true. so why ?

the default browser  rekonq it’s a joke, crashing on youtube? do you really think a user can use a browser without flash ? do your really think that a user can use rekonq on   some bank’s website?

what will a normal user do? he\she will  remove rekonq, and he will install firefox or chormium, and this sucks!  because the user must install something just to browse

Network well network was affected by a stupid bugs for long long time and i have received feedbacks for that. just read this i have  never had so much comments for a  issue in my little blog , network must work if the driver can handle your device. it’s one of the most important part of a linux box
because without network you can’t resolve your problems.

and now some other lighter aspect :

Dragon player are you kidding me ? vlc is a standard qt ultra player  that can handle stuff without any other package, if you use other players you need to install stuff and if you don’t use vlc you need to install again pacckages  from muon :S

Software center just sucks , i can’t  enumerate how many users went on the irc channel #kubuntu and typed : muon sucks\ freezes \ doesn’t work . a “web click and install software center”  would be better .

amarok  it’s too much , vlc can replace it but this could be my personal point of view..

Dolphin : do you see dolphin on opensuse ?  it has the freaking UP button  because the most of people use this configuration even on ubuntu nautilus has it …
dolphin can use the filter bar to search easily your file but you need to active it

Semantic desktop is enabled by default , but seriously do you think ubuntu gnome users use this kind of stuff ? no because the most of people just doesn’t care to spend time searchin file in some weird folder expecially linux users that doesn’t spend so much for computer

kffmpegthumbnailer … just install it

Mouse double click should be set because 90% of users of linux use this configuration and 90% of windows user use this too,  do you think really that leaving that single click to open a file can be comfortable for users or that this feature can increase kubuntu’s users , for sure it will not

wtf who cares of your needs ?

well these points are not my needs  i know how to set my box in few steps so i am not the problem , the prolbem it’s the number of users that are not happy with kubuntu so changin the name to kubuntu will not lead somewhere

wtf who are your to say that?

i support kubuntu since 5 years i think 4 or 5 on kubuntu channel and ubuntu-it channel and all the time i read this stuff so i guess i can write about that here on my little   blog :D

what should change it’s the extremist minds, the answer it’s not in the left or in the right the answer it’s the middle, do what works better, but this doesn’t mean you have to install a lots of gtk stuff , just a browser firefox or chromium.

make some poll (ubuntu forum and kubuntu forum) to understand if rekonq it’s a proper browser vs firefox vs chromium and soo on leave the user to NOT have headcache installing and removing software on the first boot and you will see kubuntu will gain users and support.

i think kubuntu is not for users but it’s a pet and this should be changed

for example i did Plasma panels collection for the users and not to be my pet to satisfy my personal point of view

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12 Responses to Kubuntu should it change name ?

  1. I fully fully FULLY agree on all points. The operations you have listed are exactly the ones I did to set my K-box and that I will have to do AGAIN after switching to Precise in the next months.
    Hopefully KDE team will change their mind on future releases, now that they’re not under the influence of Canonical anymore.
    It’s a pity that Kubuntu was not very successful: it has changed over time remaining consistent and usable.
    Despite this, I am not going to use another DE other than KDE! Another distro maybe? Not yet…

  2. Jonathan Kolberg says:

    Guy,
    I must say, that I use rekonq to browse my banks website and it didn’t crash for over a month. And who needs Flash, it’s proprietary shit (even Youtube works good with Html5).

    Also I don’t have any problems with NetworkManager and Dragon is what I want to play videos.

    Semantic desktop is just awesome (have you tried it?).

    kffmpegthumbnailer ok this is something not everybody needs.

    And Mouse doubleclick is the greatest shit I ever used.

    Regards Jonathan

    • nowardev says:

      if it was so successfull why would it be so down on distrowatch website ?
      why so much guys on #kde just say it sucks?
      why mark has said it’s not successfull ?

      well there is something that is compatible with develop and something that is not. to believe that rekonq is a browser and it’s good enough to be the default choice is a blind point of view i don’t know so much people that use rekonq to browse daily.

      i would have done the default installation of firefox well integrated and the option to try rekonq, this is an good option , you can support rekonq , and not bother users with alpha\ beta software

      and opensuse has the up button , and it’s just a stupid example, the default dolphin has not this stuff :)

  3. “why kubuntu is not successuful?” maybe you didn’t read my recent blog where I point out that Kubuntu has the world’s largest Linux desktop rollout. No desktop Linux is as successful as Kubuntu.

    We use Rekonq because we believe in supporting the KDE community and that is the best KDE browser. It is not the best browser for many uses which is why it is important we are part of Ubuntu so Firefox et al are easily installable.

    Your other points are mostly issues with KDE, not with Kubuntu. There are many issues with KDE and that is why it needs a distro like us to show it in the best possible light and not fill in the gaps with non-KDE software.

    • nowardev says:

      google trends

      http://www.google.com/trends/?q=ubuntu,+kubuntu&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

      if it was so successfull why would it be so down on distrowatch website ?
      why so much guys on #kde just say it sucks?
      why mark has said it’s not successfull ?
      even Linux mint is based on ubuntu but it’s not ubuntu and this is for “world’s largest Linux desktop rollout”

      well there is something that is compatible with develop and something that is not. believe that rekonq is a browser and it’s good enough to be the default choice is a blind point of view i don’t know so much people that use rekonq to browse daily.
      i would do the default installation of firefox well integrated and the option to try rekonq, this is an good option , you can support rekonq develop , and not bother users with alpha\ beta software

      and opensuse has the up button , and it’s just a stupid example, the default dolphin has not this stuff :)

    • mass says:

      I run Kubuntu Precise and have had huge problems with Rekonq. Flashplugin-installer needs to be removed and reinstalled daily. Crashes or freezes every time on Amazon or Youtube of ebay or when entering wesite builder. Very frustrating. If I didn’t like the Plasma environment of Kubuntu I would have never kept the thing. Installing a second browser as you say is no option in my case. I run a double boot and I am very concerned about using non native softwares on my Linux boot. I just want to keep it light and safe. Apparently it can’t be done with the current issues this piece of sofwtare presents. I’ll say kill it (rekonq) or damn fix it.

      • nowardev says:

        sorry i can’t undestand what you meant with : ” Installing a second browser as you say is no option in my case. I run a double boot and I am very concerned about using non native softwares on my Linux boot.”

        firefox is native for linux as well chromium as well midori as well konqueror i can’t undestand really

  4. YAFU says:

    Sorry for my English.
    Funny how some people believe that changing the name of a project, problems are solved :) (I recently read something similar in GIMP)
    I do not understand how Distrowatch measures. Does anyone really believes that Linux Mint users may have to overcome in Ubuntu. What I do know is that in many surveys, Kubuntu is very well positioned:
    http://www.kdeblog.com/encuesta-¿cual-es-tu-distribucion-de-linux-favorita-para-kde.html

    Regarding Reqonk, Do you think that Firefox was born being the best browser? There was a community that had supported using it even when it was not the best and have lot of bugs and problems. This is how a community works. Also, Firefox does not like KDE (Qt) and requires much effort to integrate seamlessly into KDE.
    I’m using Kubuntu for many years and I collaborated with Kubuntu-es.org forum. I do not agree with everything you say about Kubuntu, but I think can be improved. Perhaps those responsible for Kubuntu (I thank them for their work) could be more open to suggestions from users.
    Regarding default applications, remember that Kubuntu is a “buntu” and should fit on a CD (700MB), so you have to choose carefully the default applications that meet their purpose and fit in that space. Then you can easily install other recommended applications.
    Also I think some default KDE apps configurationes can be improved in Kubuntu, instead of putting Vanilla KDE settings. For example in Dolphin, “double click…” and “show space…” are usefull and very required by users.
    There are some things that I like are by default, as “Quick Usb Formatter” and “UFW KControl Module” (search on KDE apps), not take up much space and are also required by users, at least in the forum where I collaborated.
    Regards.

    • YAFU says:

      Ok, I had been an hour trying to write the above in the google translator. Now I read and I see that is very badly translated. Google translator sucks!

  5. nowardev says:

    welll i have understood everything , so …. the problem is not there.

    ANYWAY i talked with aseigo http://nowardev.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/very-important-chat/ and he gets some points : so i will not criticize again kubuntu stuff but i am doing my own debian package.

    https://code.google.com/p/kde-peace-settings/source/browse/#git%2Fkde-myown-settings

    said that ….

    well if you are supporting kubuntu on spanish website from 12 3 10 years , that doesn’t mean you can say more than a normal user, i could say that i support kubuntu on irc channel since 4 years and on ubuntu-it too, because doens’t exist a kubuntu-it channel…

    i could say that i have made some programs for kde panels etc.. etc but this doesn’t mean nothing. i was talkin to NOT Bothering users with something that doesn’t work well.

    anyway i will prove you have wrong:

    1 ubuntu users are much more than kubuntu users. that is a data you can not say no.

    2 users wants something that works , testers are testers , users are users. so to give something that works is the duty of a distribution. we are not testers for rekonq developers.
    opensuse gives cd with firefox well integrated and installed so 700MB IS NOT THE PROBLEM,

    3 i am sure that you are not using rekonq ONLY , or you will not when rekonq will not manage to rendering some webpage you WILL install firefox i am sure. (firefox opera or chromium \crhrome)

    so what doesn’t work on kubuntu mainly ?

    4 the browser. browsing is the most important stuff on a distro right now if you want use it like desktop. you can’t say no.

    you are saying that firefox has problems too , well very well and true , but the number of webisite where firefox fails is the same of the number of websites where rekonq fails?

    no rekonq is a failure it’s years i am waiting here for a good qt browser , and the truth is THA NOW THERE IS NOT A GOOD QT BROWSER so NOW what should users use ? firefox. .

    if you want to test rekonq or other browser you should test but you should not bothering users with an alien-qt-broken-browser.

    a browser should work with : youtube gmail facebook twitter and backing stuff : rekonq crashes on youtube ? you are kidding me ? don’t get me wrong but fuck off on defending rekonq. konqueror is better! right click and open with firefox if it can’ handle well the website.

    you have to pay attention at THE NUMBER of problems with firefox and with rekonq :

    rekonq has a lots of problems. much more than firefox. you can’t defend rekonq saying firefox has problems tooo that is natural . users can’t wait infinitively for a good experience.

    kde main applications like i dunno .. k3b was ported and fixed in few time … that is a good user experience and infact k3b is used even on gnome desktop .. that is an example a good example.

    anyway i will close the story here. i have decided to do what i like. it’s something like a fork or maybe not :)

    • YAFU says:

      I use Firefox too, since I use Kubuntu, and Firefox has always been a pain in the ass with KDE. Mozilla is more interested in supporting Windows which an OpenSource project as KDE/Qt. The RAM usage that grows and grows like a snowball, it is also a problem with Firefox. Maybe in Kubuntu as with Firefox, there should be a shortcut for easy installation of Chromium.
      I had also said that Kubuntu can be improved, and I would like that the project be more open to ideas from users.
      Just to be clear, I never insinuated that I can say more than any other user to be collaborator of the Kubuntu-es forum. In addition, Kubuntu-es.org is a forum created by Debian users and the forum is not related at all with Canonical or Kubuntu.
      Regards.

  6. dave says:

    I do not use Kubuntu or KDE but I think that Canonical’s treatment of Kubuntu has been deplorable. You can say what you will about your own preference, but Ubuntu would not have been as successful had there not been a KDE derivitive.. it made the whole product more interesting. I think that Kubuntu should change their name purely out of spite. I also expect Xubuntu to become similarly unofficialized in the near future; another slap in the face from a company who should know better.

    I’m going to start using Debian for most of my systems. Sick of Canonical’s new, shitty attitude.

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